Friday, June 01, 2018

Online comments after Joey Carbery move was made official

A selection of “keyboard warrior” reactions after Joey Carbery's move from Leinster to Munster was made official on Thursday.

My parents always said if you don’t have anything nice to say, then don’t say anything at all.......

Denise O'Brien 

Best option for him. Wonder if one of the Munster 10s will move to Ulster

Andy Harrison

JJ, Keatley and Johnston have just got 2 fingers from munster and the IRFU. Cullen should save a NIQ space because if anything happens to sexton he will have to buy in a player. I’d pawn those 2 cups now if I was Leo. The IRFU doing their best to make sure we don’t win them next year.

Chris Mc

Good move for him and Munster. Give him more game time at 10 and help him develop. That said I think Munster start to need looking at their Academy and start developing home grown players instead of bringing in imports.

Keith Geraghty

It’s a pity as a Leinster supporter. But I think he should be on loan and not a contract. He will be missed from the Leinster squad but maybe he will get more game time at no 10. Good luck Joey you legend👍

Paul Kehoe

Leinster penalised for their success. Unfair to put pressure on players to move. It took a squad of 55 to win this season. Thats one more to join those retiring and already moving elsewhere. Handicapped for next season before it starts !!

Tony Keogh

It's a VERY short term approach from a Munster perspective BUT allows then a quality Out Half, gives JC game time and will benefit Ireland looking forward to RWC 19. Let's take the positives from this

Joe Sheppard

It's a tough one. The Munster lads know he doesn't want to be there. It's great he gets to play with Murray but they'll both get the mandated minutes which, if he wasn't injured, he'd have nearly played in blue this year.

Imagine being in Munster knowing he doesn't want to be there. They're shipping JJ to Ulster, same problem.

All for a few extra minutes.....

AND Leinster are in a bad spot when byrne and sexton are called up!!!!

The green jersey wins, the blue and red ones...... not so much

Neil Keegan

Awfully handled by the IRFU but something we will have to get used to. Thankful he hasn't come to Ulster - can't wait to see him having to actually play pressure matches at 10 when he doesn't get to come on with his team out of sight. Part of me thinks this could all end in tears and Ross Byrne will be number two to Sexton by Japan (he should be already)

Colin Mcconaghie

Madigan to Ulser, keep the rest where they were would have been so much better.

Dónal Foley

Absolutely disgraceful. Really angry with Nucifora and Schmidt in this

Wayne O'Brien

Bad move for Leinster, Joey and Ireland. The only winners in this are Munster.

The Munster style doesn't suit him and I don't see them changing to suit one man. They will transform him into a kick an chase merchant within a year and claim he was never good enough to begin with.

Also, I'm not a fan of the IRFU dictating where young players stay or go

Iain O'Connor

Good move for Joey i feel. He won’t dislodge Johnny and get to play at 10 consistently coming upto the World Cup which makes a lot of sense

Joe Murdock

Schmidt will either pull off a masterstroke and get all the players WC ready or absolutely fuck over Leinster ensuring no cups next year by "nudging" players towards other provinces.

I reserve my judgement until Japan.

Darragh Crossan

I’m disappointed from a Leinster point of view, I’m understanding and optimistic from an Irish view.

Munster should have to send one of their 4 Irish outhalfs to Ulster next season though.

Oisín Cleary

As a Leinster fan. I'm delighted. I'll tell you why. . . Let's cast our minds back to when Leinster had a similar problem. Ian Madigan, he was the next best to Sexton. By some distance I might add (could also step into full back, and possibly scrum half). But he decided "feck that I don't wanna play second fiddle to Sexton, I want to properly compete". So he upped and left. Madigan leaving created a gap for Ross Byrne and Joey Carberry to come to the fore. Now, cue Carberry rocketing to the hype. He gets drafted to Ireland (effectively skipping Byrne). No Carberry at Ireland is playing second fiddle to Sexton. Leaving Byrne to secure his place by game time at Leinster, while the two bucks are away with Ireland. Ireland comps now over, they return to Leinster. Sexton starts, and since Carberry offers a full back option, he's either not starting: or comes on at full back.

But Now, enter Larmour. Kearney is the numero uno for now at both Leinster and Ireland. Followed hot on the heels at Leinster at least by Larmour. So Carberry prospects of getting game time at full back are looking even less. So he's not getting much at 10 due to Sexton and the Leinster experience of Byrne. Nor is he getting game time at full back as much due to another animal.

Why would he not go? For himself I reckon he fancies his chances over JJ and let's face it Keatley is a great journeyman, but he's on the way out. Carberry gets more game time by starting, or having a full on scuffle for the starting 10 spot with JJ (both pushing and improving - win win for Munster and Ireland). Munster will either change his 10 game to a little more territory based/control. Or, he'll create savage lines etc from their backs.

Great move for him I think.

Craig Grehan

If Conway is injured for a big game then bet he'll end up playing FB.

David O'Mahony

Carbury needs to put on twenty pounds of muscle. He is similar to ford. Not a physical presence at European top team level. Good Passer. Good instinct. Going to get beat up against top teams all season.

Aubrey Fogarty

Must be the only sport in the world when a team assembles the best squad in Europe on for someone else to step in and say, sorry but you have to move one your best young players to your biggest rivals. Disgraceful bullying by the IRFU. 😡😡

Paul Smith

Ah well done again IRFU. You already screwed Ulster this season and now you’re starting dismantling Leinster? Munster style of playing doesn’t suit Carberry at all. It’s a forced move which will bring more damage than success.

Sebastian Brennan

Sad to lose him from Leinster but he will make Munster a lot better. A good move for Ireland especially with the World Cup next year.

Henry King

I think it is the correct decision for him and Ross Byrne.

Marconi Giampaolo

Absolutely scandalous the whole affair. He's been treated like a piece of meat.. He should still be in the blue of Leinster. Their philistine box kick game plan won't suit him at all...

Jamie Donohoe

Good for Ireland..shocking for Leinster.

Gary Nagle

So we've lost Heaslip, Murphy, Nacewa and now Carbery. O'Brien is permanently crocked as well. Puts massive pressure on our academy to churn out players to keep us competitive. Time for the other academies to step up and develop more players at the required standard.

Cormac Mannion

While I’m gutted to see him go, a a Murray-Carbery pairing week on week can only mean amazing things for Ireland

Sharon Levy-Valensi

Ulster have 1 flyhalf and Munster already have 4! I sincerely hope that he doesn't end playing fullback down there as a replacement for Zebo.

Richie Kennedy

In the European Champions Cup Final, Racing lost a 112 cap All Black in the warm up, lost a 56 cap Springbok early in the game, but still had a 24 cap French international to step in at out half. That's the depth Leinster are fighting with to stay at the top and the IRFU are depleting that. It's a good move for Joey and Munster, but it's penalizing Leinster. Leinster shipped off Jimmy Gopperth a few years ago to make space to develop Irish talent. They did that, built depth without a cheque book and are now suffering for it.

Jonny Martin

Very Disappointed To Lose Him, Hope to C Him Back withLeinster in the Near Future. It won't help Leinster Next Year when we Are looking to win the Euro cup again

Michael Hatton

I understand why the move happened but doesn’t make it any easier to take as a Leinster supporter. I question what the other provincial academies are at?? LR academy seems to be supplying all provinces these days

Elaine Cully

As a Connacht fan I don’t have an opinion as an Irish fan think it’s great news. If I was a Leinster fan I’d b well pissed off.

Alan Eastwood

Get over it lads. Joey gets game time at 10 in pressure situations. Byrne gets respect and game time. Send one the Munster 10s to Ulster with no baggage. Win Win Win

Simon Kelehan

Disappointed to lose him but hopefully it pays off for him and for Ireland in the World Cup.

Personally I think this whole fiasco is a step too far in terms of the IRFU micro-managing the provinces but it could turn out to be the best decision they ever made.

Killian O'Criodain

I'm concerned about the lack of clarity of the duration, if it's one season only it's a waste of time but with the world cup on the horizon I'm guessing it's two start with anyway. As an Ireland supporter I think it's the right move and as a Munster supporter I guess it's ok 😉

Michelle Tobin

I’m not gonna lie I would prefer if he stayed but I can totally understand why he’s doing it and it is a positive for Ireland 😞✊🏻

Paul Carney

He should have went to Connaught where he’d build a relationship with marmion and Aki. And Ireland and the province would have benefited. Now JJ Hanrahan and Keatley and then by byleendaal with all be competing with carbery for that spot.

Greachán Ó Raghallaigh

I have always been a Ireland first and club second. From an Irish Rugby team perspective it makes sense and from a Leinster long term view it also does if he performs as well as we all hope. Sexton will possibly retire in two years time and joeys time In munster honing his skills will be done and he will come home. Of course we would love Carberry to stay but with a world cup on the horizon we need our best Irish players performing optimally. I am tired of the arguments that our club should have peferance over our country. BTW I am a very long term supporter of Leinster and love the club. I think its a wise move for him if he makes his mark.

Richard Burke

I'm gutted to lose him from the set up. His step around Hadleigh parkes shoes just what a special talent he is and hopefully he can bring that to the fore and get better running the show for Munster but I'm surprised at the amount of people here who are worried about a back up 10 for JS. If you don't rate Ross Byrne you haven't been paying attention. He is a superb player and in my opinion the most likely to succeed Sexton in green. Also give Leo Cullen some credit, he was picking Byrne at 10 ahead of carbury most of the time and I think he's proven that he knows a thing or two about picking the right team.

Daniel Cowell

Dreadful stuff by Munster, Van Gaal, IRFU, Munster media mafia, Joe and the IRFU. Munster because they have no understanding that a young outhalf cannot save their poorly coached team. Van Gaal for the disloyalty he is showing his other three outhalfs. MMM because in their desperation a 4 Leinster stars they get on brand and start promoting Joey for Munster. Joe for now pretending it was nothing to do with him. The IRFU for allowing this to all happen in public and insane pressure being put on a young player. Munster Rugby is blinded by desperation and stupidity. They think a young player is going to fix a back line that is poorly coached with poor skills, they still have not even noticed or understood their best years were when Stringer was playing. Munster will have Joey playing at full back by Christmas because they will need their other outhalfs on the pitch. Finally you just know their will be resentment if he is not brilliant for them every day. Just look at the comment on the Munster FB page.The future will probably be that the ink won't be dry and Sexton will get injured, Madigan might end up back at Leinster after all.

Andrew Potts

I can understand the thinking of the IRFU on Joey's move coming into a world cup year and our current standings. This is probably the best shot at qualifying for the finals, injuries and form allowing.

New Zealand won a World cup with their 4th choice outhalf kicking in the final. Joe Schmdit said when he took over the job as Ireland coach he said he wanted to grow the squad to at least 40 international standard players that could be slotted in at any time and not have any impact on performance standards.

We are there or there abouts at the moment. We won a Grand slam with our 4th choice centre pairing and no impact on performance.
If Joey gets regular game time in the 10 slot then we have good cover at 10. We know teams will come hunting for Johnny in the world cup so we need the cover.

Just glad he didn't go to Ulster, things need to settle down up there before they can move on.

Niall Kerley

Build better academies and you improve all the provinces, and you improve Irish rugby all round.

Conor Cronin 

(from his article here on HarpinOnRugby "Structured success for Ireland starts in the academies")

Many thanks to all who offered opinions.

Look out Monday for our match writeup JLP


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