Here you see an exchange of comments following a good piece by Paul Rees of the Guardian about the Meaningless League. As you see, I couldn't help myself from jumping on MadeinHK's statement...fair play to HenryFitz in Tralee for backing me up! MadeinHK - Derby
September 5, 2008 1:10 PM
Being on Setanta is good in Scotland as many people own it to watch Scottish football on anyway. Also it is on most packages for no extra charge, so most Scots with digital will have the channel whether they know or not.
And Edinburgh and Glasgow both won their last three games of last season and finished 4th and 5th. Not sure how this means they threw in the towel. In previous years they would suffer as their internationals would come back from the 6N and for some reason this would disrupt the teams. I guess the players would return and had lots of fruitless games as they couldn't be relegated, were gifted HC action and had no chance of winning anything. Now the squads have more depth, more continuity and more purpose.
Good article I thought, very positive which hasn't been the case around the Mangners league since it started. Esp look forward to what will happen when play-offs introduced. There's talk of reducing the HC places as well so top 4 go to play-offs and bottom two miss out on HC. It should mean more meaningful games and a proper climax to the season. Would be great if GP champion and Magners champion played in a grand British club final.
JLPagano - Dublin
September 5, 2008 2:30 PM
...and to MadeInHK's suggesting that the Magners League champs playoff against the GP champs in a "British Club Final", I suggest to take geography and history lessons!!!
MadeinHK
September 5, 2008 5:00 PM
JL Pagano: What on earth are you talking about?
Historically speaking, the British Isles refers to Britain and Ireland. Great Britain was an Imperial moniker, the great(er) applying because of its rule over the whole of the British Isles and in particular its domination of Ireland. When Scotland and England were united it became...the United Kingdom (not Great Britain). Ireland may be independent and the British Empire no more (thank goodness), but that doesn't mean Ireland is not part of the British Isles geographically and historically speaking.
Others may disagree on sentiment, and fine it's not important, but I don't need history or geography lessons.
Btw The British Isles are known as such because they were inhabited by the Britons (Celts) before the Anglo-Saxons and assorted Germans came and settled in England. So British Isles does not mean English in fact the reverse. It is more like Celtish Isles.
JLPagano
September 5, 2008 5:06 PM
MadeinHK, this is what I'm talking about.
Your quote was this : "Would be great if GP champion and Magners champion played in a grand British club final. ". The word "Isles" is not mentioned.
Were your playoff to take place this year, it would be Leinster vs London Wasps.
Leinster is not a British club.
End of.
HenryFitz - Tralee
September 5, 2008 5:16 PM
A worthy attempt to restore the original connotations of the word British there, MadeinHK, but it's been indelibly graffitied by its 300 year association with the English. Trying to reclaim it now is as doomed as Randall's attempt to reclaim porch-monkey in Clerks II.
MadeinHK
September 5, 2008 5:22 PM
I'm sorry I don't see why that's an end of. Why must British Club Final refer to Great Britain and not to the British Isles?
I can understand why it might be necessary for sensitivity issues regarding the Lions, but on a rugby blog it seems like ridiculous pedantry. Of course, there are always dicks trying to score pedantic points off one another.
Yeah ok. Although its still called the British Isles on maps - not the British and Irish isles. I thought it was implicit that that's what I was referring to. I just object to jumped-up pedants, I don't really care.
JLPagano
September 5, 2008 5:48 PM
It's because you think I'm a "jumped-up pedant" that I suggested you take a history lesson!!! Maybe since the Romans once inhabited England we should rename the Premiership to Serie A??? ;-)
It was a light-hearted observation at best to begin with, but you chose to stretch it out (quite a lot of words for someone who doesn't care by the way!) into an explanation of the term "British isles", which you never used in the first place.
And I always find that in a discussion/argument (which is what I always thought these forums and blogs were for), the first to resort to name-calling is generally the one that's losing.